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--- 2015:groups:sm:qg [2015/06/04 16:40]
jesse.thaler [Key Question]
+++ 2015:groups:sm:qg [2015/06/06 23:52]
jesse.thaler [Quark/Gluon Enrichment Studies]
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   * Jon Butterworth
   * Mario Campanelli
-  * Marat Freytsis
+  * Marat Freytsis <freytsis@physics.harvard.edu>
   * Peter Loch <loch@physics.arizona.edu>
-  * Deepak Kar
+  * Philippe Gras <philippe.gras@cern.ch>
-  * Andrzej Siodmok
+  * Deepak Kar <deepak.kar@cern.ch>
+  * Simon Plätzer
+  * Andrzej Siodmok <andrzej@cern.ch>
   * Peter Skands <peter.skands@monash.edu>
   * Dave Soper
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 Link to GitHub repository:  https://github.com/gsoyez/lh2015-qg
+===== Slides from Saturday =====
+  * {{|Peter's VBF Slides}}
+  * {{|Frank's Hadronization Power Correction Slides}}
+  * {{:2015:groups:sm:jthaler_lh_saturday.pdf|Summary of MC Studies}}
+  * Quark as an noun vs. quark as an adjective (pseudo-quarks?  uarks?  quarky jets?)
+===== Plan of attack for Wednesday Les Houches Presentation =====
+  * Write our quark/gluon manifesto/history.
+  * Catalog quark gluon discriminants and performance measures
+  * e+e- -> u uubar , gg
+  * Baseline:  Q = 200 GeV, R = 0.6, all Monte Carlo programs optimal
+  * Quark distribution, gluon distribution, separation, integrated separation
+  * Pythia variations:  noME, nogqq
+  * Herwig variations:  ...
+  * Sherpa variations:  ...
+  * Vincia variations:  noME
+  * Q = 50, 100, 200, 400, 800 GeV (everything else baseline)
+  * R = 0.2, 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1.0 (everything else baseline)
+  * delta alphas / alphas = -0.2, -0.1, 0.0, +0.1, +0.2 (everything else baseline)
 ===== Preliminaries =====
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   * ATLAS A14 tune already uses jet shapes, and finds that alpha_s has to be tuned downward in Pythia 8.  This, however, has a detrimental effect on LEP measurements, so one has to be cautious about this.
   * Is there a tuning flat direction?
+==== Hemisphere quark/gluon definitions in e+e- ====
+  * Consider the case of e+ e- -> q qbar.  Partition event into (thrust) hemisphere, define hemisphere flavor by summing over flavors of hemisphere constituents.
+  * At LO, we can unambiguously define hemisphere flavors.
+  * At NLO, we can also unambiguously define flavor via hemisphere, though there is now a small gluon fraction from gluon recoiling against q qbar pair.
+  * At NNLO, things are more complicated.
+    * Can have soft gluon splitting into q-qbar in different hemispheres, creates IRC safety issue.
+    * One can use a flavored algorithm (BSZ) to define the flavour of two flavor-kt jets
+  * Ultimately, want to give an operational definition of flavor based on the Born-level operator contributing to the process.
+    * Claim:  all subtleties are formally power suppressed.
+    * Use case, VBF, two jets with a third jet veto, q/g well-defined in the exclusive limit.
+==== Flavored Jet Algorithms ====
+  * This is a topic worthy of its own Les Houches study.
+  * For pp collisions, multiple possible uses of flavored jet algorithms.
+  * One can just run flavor-kT
+  * Or one can run flavor-kT to define flavor ghosts, and run standard anti-kT.
+  * Or one can run flavor-kT for deflavoring constituents, and then run standard anti-kT.
 ===== Ultimate Goal for Les Houches Study =====
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   * Question: use ROC curves or mutual information (I(T;A)) to quantify discrimination power?
     * Answer: doesn't really matter, probably I(T;A) is easier to begin with.
+    * Better answer:  Use separation (S-B)^2 / (2 (S + B)).
 ==== Core Jet Shapes ====
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   * Question:  Sum over particles (angularity-style) vs. sum over pairs (ECF-style)
     * Answer:  Sum over particles (angularity-style)
+  * Question:  Plot linear or log scale?
+    * Answer:  Do both if it makes sense, better for angularities to have log scale.
 ==== Supplemental Jet Shapes ====
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   * Generalized angularities with soft-drop jets, varying beta_SD
   * Do sum over pairs version of angularities (i.e. ECF-style)
-===== Next Les Houches Study (for after LH) =====
-  * Above study at hadron colliders, using dijets, W/Z/gamma + j, and maybe t tbar samples
+==== Analysis Workflow ====
+  * Rivet analysis in place which computes from a HepMC event sample the various generalised angularity distributions.
+  * Processes to consider:
+    * mu+mu- -> spin1 -> q qbar  take photons
+    * mu+mu- -> spin0 -> g g  take Higgs
+    * for tests of universality:  mu+mu- -> spin0 -> q qbar
+  * Energies
+    * Q=sqrt{s} = 50, 200, 800 GeV
+    * Optionally:  Q = 100, 400 GeV
+  * Jet definition:
+    * ee-antikt [genkt, p=-1], WTA_modp recomb scheme
+    * R = 0.3, 0.6, 0.9
+  * Add thrust from thrust hemispheres for anticipated analytic comparisons
+  * Add multiplicity (event-wide) in bins of thrust:
+     * T < 5 GeV/sqrt(S)
+     * 5 GeV/sqrt(S) < T < 0.1
+     * 0.1 < T < 0.2
+     * 0.2 < T
-===== Preliminary plots for meeting on Thursday =====
+==== Preliminary plots for meeting on Thursday ====
 {{:2015:groups:sm:ga_10_20.pdf|}}
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+==== Questions ====
+  * Is discrimination power (e.g. for width) coming from the hadronization regime?
+    * Possibility:  Isolate hadronization regime (thrust ~ LambdaQCD/Q) and shower regime (thrust ~ 0.1-0.2) and optionally hard jet regime (thrust >~ 0.25).  Study scaling of, e.g., multiplicity as a function of Q in each of these regimes.
+  * By testing pythia vs. herwig, can we test string vs. cluster hadronization?
+  * Is there jet radius dependence?
+  * Does matching help in controlling quark/gluon uncertainties?
+  * Universality/process dependence of conclusions?
+    * Related to whether the discrimination power comes from the core or the periphery of jet.
+===== Next Les Houches Study (for after LH) =====
+  * Above study at hadron colliders, using dijets, W/Z/gamma + j, and maybe t tbar samples
+===== Analytic Les Houches Study? =====
+  * Analytic predictions known/available/straightforward for:
+    * Quark thrust: N^3LL' + N^3L0
+    * Gluon thrust: N^2LL' + N^2L0
+    * ang (kappa =1):  NLL'
+  * Can we do useful quark/gluon study from analytic results?
 ===== Notes from Tuesday Meeting =====
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+===== Notes for Jesse for Preparing Summary Talk =====
+  * Quark is more of an adjective than a noun.
+  * Pseudo-quark?  (That language doesn't go over very well.)
+==== What is a Quark Jet? ====
+(From ill-defined to well-defined)
+  * A quark parton
+  * A Born-level quark parton
+  * The initiating quark parton in a final state shower
+  * An eikonal line with baryon number 1/3 and carrying triplet color charge
+  * A quark operator that appears in a hard matrix element in the context of a factorization theorem.
+  * A parton-level jet object that has been tagged as a quark using a soft-safe flavored jet algorithm (automatically collinear safe if you sum constituent flavors).
+  * A phase space region (as defined by an unambiguous hadronic fiducial cross section measurement) that yields an enriched sample of quarks (as interpreted by some suitable, though fundamentally ambiguous, criterion).
+(Sometimes people think we care about the top of the list while we are really focused entirely on the bottom.)

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